A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. @AlanJParks" I noticed a post by Murray G. Wondering if we might be related at all? We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. February 15, 2020 at 4:10 PM @ Anonymous LMFAO ! Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? Drumoyne primary it was, a year after my big brother Robert started (about 53) then on to Govan High School, that was the one which caught fire when I was due to sit my O levels (no excuses). However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. He said: "So I had a house and I had a supply, because I knew someone who could get me smack. For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. 3 In Canada, I joined the Royal Canadian Air Force, and served 37 years before retiring. The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. He had a broken leg, but we cuddled and comforted him until someone with a car was found, hours later, to get him to the vets. Komunitn organizcia. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. HAPPY TIMES. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. contact the editor here. Living Dangerously in Govan by James McDonald. There was another pub next door, The Bellrock. Napier's Shipyard in Govan was later acquired by William Beardmore and Company in 1876 and incorporated into William Beardmore and Company in around 1900. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. 6 It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. When he had gone, we used to draw pictures in the coal dust on the white sheet on our bed. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company was renamed Govan Shipbuilders in 1973. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. . images & design by The Poverty Alliance Glasgow Braendam Link 2005, Sitting here on our computers at the end of 2022, The Glasgow User Manual An Almanac and Peoples Guide To the city, Information obesity (Relating to activism), Positive Thinking and the Positive Thinking Industry, Triangulation ( Try things from a different angle), BRENDAN McLAUGHLIN lifes a Bowl o Cherries, ADAM McNAUGHTON JIM McLEAN The Glasgow I Used To Know, ALEXANDER RODGER (1784-1846) Sawney, Now The Kings Come, JOHN TAYLOR CALDWELL The Battle For The Green, RUTHERGLEN DRAMA GROUP Caterpillar Talking Blues, PHIL McPHEE Hutchie E- A Monument to Corruption, Stupidity and Bad Planning, JOHN McGARRIGLE Write nice thingslast night, PETER ARNOTT & PETER MULLAN Beechgrove Garden Festival, ROBERT LYNN Not a Life Story, Just a Leaf From It, R. D. LAING from Wisdom, Madness and Folly, ALEX CATHCART Nostalgically Speaking Imagination is Money. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. I also remember the candy apple man and rag man, I also remember at the top of Greenfield Street as a wee boy of 8 watching a horse drawn Beatties bread wagon relieving itself, what a flood lots of great memories. Police Scotland. 110m Govan Road Campus . It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. Forgotten account? The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. Egg And Chip' 11/2. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? Bishop Leslie in his Scotia Descriptio of 1578 says it got its name from the excellence of its ale (God-win), whereas Chalmers in his Caledonia says it is derived from Scottish Gaelic, Gamhan (a ditch). However, as little seems to have changed in the last 30 years does this mean that at last, local communities are to be involved in making decisions about their futures? 11/2. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Log In. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. Nobody like them in the World. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. Thanks in advance :). What a memory. History [ edit] Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. Sources Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Glorious Govan. Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. Skater Girl. Bought my sweets from The Modern Book Shop and Woolworths. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. I met him at our place of employment. The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! Media/news company. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. Second, two documents from the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU), which focus on the decline of the urban neighbourhood, argue that the decline almost always starts with a lack of work. When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. The manager was a man called Jackie. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. 4, Soon, the housing scheme had a bad name. Know your enemy. At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. We protect your brands globally and help consumers find your wines. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Seven generations of our family have been born in Govan. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. Small things eh? Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. Zabudli ste daje na prstup k tu? I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. With five suspected drug dealers in the cells and 200,000 worth of heroin seized, it had been a very productive day for the police. 109m Bells Bar . 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Government organisation. 123m New Cafe India Govan . Pagini similare. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. Komunitn organizcia. policy initiatives given due regard. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. Datum OSGB36 - NGR. But. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. Clyde News. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. Govan borders the district of Ibrox, home to the Scottish football club Rangers F.C. My Gran Haggerty lived in 3 Helen Street Govan (above the CO OP). I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 Photos: Splash News. It was great reading all the stories. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. I married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1974 and emigrated to Canada that same year, I have lived in Canada ever since. I still have a picture in my mind of your father Guido, a very handsome man. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. My father was a chemist who worked for the SCWS. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. Did the papers for Maggie Slimmins and the milk for the coop this paid for my first real bike from Andy McNeil's, before that I had a clenny model. Contact. 122m The Govan Shed . Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. We didn't have an inside toilet but had to use one on the landing which served two other families. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. However, given the area's reputation there was also a large numbers of empty houses. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Comedian. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. J. N. REILLY There is a war on. 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. A friend called Carol Slater. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. Sometimes it was hillarious, waiting in the queue to get onto that seat, and having to use The News of The World as toilet paper.wow! We always used to stop at your house on the way home from St. Anthony`s school, for a blether. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. James and Catherine moved to Govan from Ireland and lived on Victoria (Neptune) Street and Langlands Road. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. . Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? I lived at 73 Nethan Street, Govan. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . The Catholic Church that was located in Stanley Street was I believe the largest Catholic Church in Glasgow and at one time had 5 resident Priests. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. I worked in Fairfields in the seventies, does anyone remember the name of the bike shop at the Linthouse end beside the roundabout. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. Now her daughter (my mother) is 92 years old and I am fascinated by the stories which her mother passed down to her and now to me. Bishop King. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis I remember living in a single end tenement (1950's) at 77 Nethan Street and the excitement on a Saturday morning when the man delivered the coal in our bunker which was right next to our bed. Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. Interest. Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. One day in the Summer, off we went to the Steamie, everybody went in, my Cousin and I stayed outside. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. Not Now. Laurel Brook. At the time DS Jackson said: These two cops were the real heroes and were at high risk. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. Acumfaegovan born and brought up on Langlands Road with my sisters Susan and Elaine Wilson by my wonderful parents Vera and Bill Wilson. Next thing I know, this policeman appeared, he looked like a giant and he asked me what was I doing. Canmore ID 315779. My parents lived at 49 Nethan Street and I was born at the Southern General in 1939. Introduction It is now an industrial estate. Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. I found this site by mistake while i was trying to find people that i used to hang around with in Govan, I lived in Rathlin Street, opposite the Elder picture house, my mum and dad were Mary and Eddie Mellon and brothers Paul and Ward. Gary Faulds. My father, Alex Grant and brother Davie lived one up at 129 Elderpark Street. 102m The Govan Shed . Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals.
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