Jealousy was the motive. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. Hoist by my own petard! All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Keep up your delusions. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. She had money put aside. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. Yeah, no. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Everyone lies. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. "You knew how the I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. The trial was taking so much of my time. Or did they? Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. He was happy. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. 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Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Deal refused. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. We really thought she was dead all those years. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. SHAME ON THEM. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Although I would have liked it to be death! Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. It seems so, according to you. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Whats worse is that shes innocent. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Still, no good leads materialized. THE COPS SET HER UP. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Justice is about uncovering the truth. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. I wanted to get out of there.. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Phone records dont lie.) DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Or did they? Hoist by your own petard. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Patricia is a evil monster. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. No explanation given. Search is on. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". What evidence is there she actually left the state? How is it that these women are paroled? Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. The women testified last week. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Disagree with Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. The District Attorney got this one right. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. You murdered your girls," she said. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? It seems so, according to you. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Just saying. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Patricia Unbloody vehicle. They are total bs. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. Oh my God. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. You people are fighting a losing cause! Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Have a tip we should know? She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. . She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Nope. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. I do. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. She is a D-FW native with a B.A. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. More hairs there. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. All rights reserved. Patty is my cousin. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. She also will never get to see them get married. You know whats interesting? She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. WoW! She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. A correction to the comment above. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. Exactly These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. So, lets take your response one step at a time. And NOBODY saw her at all? Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. This article is little more than fiction. False. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media.
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